/lounge/. Monero Observer

agreed
i just dont see it being a thing due to actual tech limitations of monero currently

> We need more adoption outside dnms. BTC started like that but has managed to cut its reliance on the "dark" volume. I see that as a win, wouldnt it also be for Monero?

- https://xmrbazaar.com/
- https://monerica.com/


> i just dont see it being a thing due to actual tech limitations of monero currently

Elaborate. Which ones?

>https://xmrbazaar.com/
it doesnt work for that usecase since ToS are being broken, so the admins are liable legally
the reason it works on that other market is because their currency is not officially considered "real money", which is against those companies ToS to sell for "real money" (it's a grey area)
devs would also need to be anon, to prevent getting the samourai wallet treatment
similar as how the Haveno devs dont endorse any networks, they built the software, then networks can be spun by volunteers which in their turn are the ones putting themselves in risk legally

(can't do long posts here, will be at least couple posts, also took too long to write, the captcha didn't work)

>Elaborate. Which ones?

- 10 blocks lock:
would have to constantly have to bother making "change", that's a big UX downside:
https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/issues/203
am personally not advocating to remove it since it has a reason to be there, but it's a downside

- speed:
0-conf is a thing but then have to make sure to always have "change"
for a market that needs to min/max trading speed
(some people in that other market already have some type of trading automation)
every seconds wasted doing the trading are seconds not being active doing other things, it has to be snappy fast, or at least as much as it can be

- need to be able to do "trading in dust"
some trades would probably be in the piconeros (not everything has to be "for profit", yet those very inexpensive trades do happen as well, it is still active trades that matter)
but who even uses those denominations anyways:
https://web.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/denominations.html
then considering an increase in monero price, the transaction fee (while has it's reason to be), is also a UX downside, since some trades would need to be below that transaction fee

just a few on top of my head but there's probably more

Well, I did not quite get anything of what you said about bazaar, currencies and ToS above, so I'm skipping that one, if you don't mind.

> - 10 blocks lock:
would have to constantly have to bother making "change", that's a big UX downside:
https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/issues/203
am personally not advocating to remove it since it has a reason to be there, but it's a downside

Churn away. As small or as big as you want. Not ideal and not ready for the masses, but from that to "it cannot work at all", there's a thin line.

Not much else to say from my end. To each their own, your mileage might vary.

well i guess not in actual piconeros
but like, if 20k fg is $200 (approximate)
then 100fg is $1
(a jah rune is worth $1, 20/5@ small charms are like $30, 3/20/20 small charms are $100, all of those are fungible and used as actual fungible currency regardless)
but there are trades that are like 5fg or whatever
so that would be like $0.05
currently the xmr transaction fees are around $0.01 for a single output
so i guess the math almost make sense here to still be above transaction fee
but still, with increase in monero price, that might be an issue

(still banned from the forum for 3 more days, got a 7 days ban for coming forward acknowledging having an alt account, however the actual admin been doing winks here and there, pretty wholesome, never spoke to him directly but yea, wholesome lol)

>Well, I did not quite get anything of what you said about bazaar

dang, didnt notice your reply, my bad
i meant, for the current videogaming market
it's against those videogaming companies ToS to sell their in-game items for "real money"
the forum currency being used there is not considered actual "real money", it's been a grey area with speculations for decades that Blizzard would just shut them down, similar as "Monero will get banned" and so on

feel free to delete any of my posts btw, if you think it might be a worry
just trying to give as much insight as i can
and idk everything about those markets either so the more i can provide the better imo

as a sidenote to clear things up real quick, and my apologizes for hijacking this thread

the whole matching numbers thing is literally just a coincidence (and a provable one at that)
it's not overconfidence in my opsec
it's overconfidence that i didnt do shit and not even being involved with any of these people in the first place lol
so glowies would literally just be wasting their time trying to look in my direction

so to anyone that been worrying about my well being regarding that whole thing
that might have been super dumb of me to play on that coincidence but no worries, we chillin, imma be okay, doggos will be okay, everyone gonna be okay so yall gotta chill about the speculations lmao

that was the whole point about "fungible community", literally because of coincidences, it can fuck over people, so yall gotta take that shit serious too
coincidences can happen to literally anyone
especially now with those AI cameras or whatever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9h2npIn8RQ
(use a privacy respecting youtube frontend)

anyways, pretty much it, my bad walls of texts and shits, figured would clear things up

and not actually "retired" gotta get that 10% warn down to 0% anyways

as quick update, and my bad again for hijacking this thread lol

for some reason admin on the videogaming forum just nuked my Monero thread over there (last message was just a youtube monero video thing few days ago, wasnt controversial or anything, but did do some shitposting since, in an other part of the forum so that's probably why lol)

so then, figured, i guess ill just nuke the twitch account too and since cant remember which mail alias thing i used for xmrchat then also sent an account deletion request to xmrchat support

i wasnt planning to go back to monero community in the first place anyways (like, matrix channels or reddit or whatever)
but would have kept on doing contributions here and there, am just going back to actually enjoy life now lol
eat some good food, watch some wholesome animes, take care of loved ones and whatnot
as for my online presence which was already pretty close to none, well, is pretty much none now lol, true off the grid cipherpunk x)

take care yall o/

to keep the offtopic going i guess...
https://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php
Most Online: 45,359 on Dec 3 2025 07:16am
and keeps growing by the minute??
normal numbers for that website is like 5k online, previous record of most online was when the release on the resurected version of the videogame in 2021 and was like 30k online
no clue what is happening today lol

if those are legit users (like china userbase?) then monero community just passed on a massive opportunity regarding P2P circular economy adoption, so get fucked monero community lol

if is something else, then no clue wtf lol
anyways, back to watching the youtube and tv shows and animes or whatever the fuck

moonboyism did corrupt monero like it did with bitcoin, as was predicted by that antimoonboy thing:
https://antimoonboy.com/darknetmarketmaximalism/
o7 P2P cryptocoin moonero P2P circular economy thing lol

^
nvm, wasnt "legit users" the increase in online users today lol
still very odd how some in the monero community been very against growing the P2P circular economy on that side
since more users would literally means more buyers to buy back some of that monero supply that been hijacked by the glowies through different means
and would also mean more nodes and so on too for more resilient network

and still of the opinion that whoever coins is able to fully onboard that market would be the one that wins the "P2P digital cash" title, will it be Monero or something else completely different, dont know lol

in my case at least, just going back to my roots of shilling Linux instead of shilling cryptocoins (the cryptobros are not deserving lol)

and as literally one of the best League of Legends player in the world (which rito dropped Linux support last year in 2024) then have a personal vendetta against those gaming companies that are forcing kernel anticheats, so would rather onboard people to the Linux ecosystem than onboarding them into some cryptocoin that they dont even need cause they all doing the stacking those credit card debt thing anyways lmao

P2P trading for fiat is probably the biggest legitimate use case right now.

Since LocalMonero shut down (May 2024), the gap has been filled by Haveno (RetosSwap, DawnSwap) with multisig escrow, and direct P2P via Telegram/Signal.

EU-based traders doing Cash by Mail have real demand — people who want to buy XMR without KYC for legitimate privacy reasons (salary payments, savings, avoiding bank surveillance under MiCA/AMLR). Not just DNM.

The 10-block lock is a real UX issue for merchants but irrelevant for P2P since both parties expect settlement time. Haveno handles this fine.

Adoption outside DNMs is growing. Freelancers, EU residents escaping MiCA compliance, privacy advocates. The infrastructure just needs more traders offering fiat on-ramps.

>The 10-block lock is a real UX issue for merchants but irrelevant for P2P since both parties expect settlement time. Haveno handles this fine.

true, honestly, the 10 blocks lock when using haveno is really not bothersome
in the EU there is SEPA instant which is like super quick, less than a couple minutes for it to show on the bank account
but the wait times regarding the monero side are all handled directly by the software, so like, launching the trade, go on doing other things, trade completed and those wait times are not noticable
and for cash by mail, the fiat side ofc takes more than 20mins anyways so the 10 blocks lock compared to that is pretty much irrelevant lol

for other types of trades tho, as mentioned earlier in this thread
reguarding videogaming goods and services, they been having their own P2P ecosystem, with trades that are instant, lots of automation in that space too

but i guess now with the new monero forum, the downside is that "not your keys, not your coins" but the upside is that, can trade in dust and complete those trades in seconds, then it's up to the users to remember to widthdraw

then ofc they can still use their own wallets too anyway